EP 23 · Yarns with Andy

Cian Brennan

Hosted by Andy Alagappan
Contract AdministrationDispute AvoidanceSubcontractorsRiskVariationsTermination For ConvenienceRace To Lose LeastMargin In Post AwardPicnicTurnover In Tender1000 Disputes5 10 Percent ConcessionCar Accident AnalogySide HustlePaid When PaidQuantum Contract SolutionsIrish AustraliaBook Chapter 1

About This Episode

Cian Brennan, managing director of Quantum Contract Solutions (Australia), runs an outsourced contract administration service for subcontractors, reviewing contracts pre-award and managing all contractual paperwork post-award. His central message: "Turnover is in the tender, margin is in the post-award." Big companies invest $600K+/year in QS, lawyers, and contract admin per project because the ROI is clear. Small companies see the same as an expense. The conversation covers dispute avoidance ("a race to see who loses the least amount of money"), termination for convenience creeping into NZ from Australia, paid-when-paid games via delayed variation approvals, and the PICNIC problem, Problem In Chair Not In Computer. Quantum has processed 1,000+ dispute situations.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Contracts / Risk downstream, Tier 1 contractors negotiate fair contracts with principals (lawyers on both sides), then push the majority of risk down to tier 2 subcontractors who often don't understand what they're signing. One client: 18 departures submitted, all 18 approved, tier 1s often just accept pushback.
  • Dispute avoidance. "Even if you're fully in the right, you're still going to lose money in a dispute." Better to negotiate away 5-10% than go to formal dispute. Car accident analogy: even when the other party admits full fault, you still incur costs.
  • Post-award contract administration. "Turnover is in the tender, margin is in the post-award." Big companies bid at cost and make margin through variation management. Small companies ask PMs to do contract paperwork as a "side hustle", it doesn't get done. PICNIC: Problem In Chair Not In Computer.
  • Termination for convenience. Creeping into NZ from Australian companies. Client retains right to terminate for any reason. Key: ensure you recover all direct/indirect costs plus lost margin.
  • Paid-when-paid. Illegal in most jurisdictions but tier 1s play the game through delayed variation approvals. "I can't approve your variation because I need to go up the line."
  • Time vs money. Cian echoes Andy: "Time is more important than money. You lose money, you can make more. Lose time, you never get it back."

Notable Quotes

Cian (raw line 247): "Returns are in the [tenders] and the margin is in the post-award."

Cian (raw line 55): "The thing about disputes is it's a race to see who loses the least amount of money."

Cian (raw line 67): "Once a dispute has happened… we're now in the race to see who loses the least amount of money. But if one week prior, you're sending a [different] email…"

Cian (raw line 95): "Even if you're fully in the right, you're still gonna lose money. Having been through more than 1,000 of these, if you get into dispute, it is better to sit down and try and do a deal where you give 5 or 10% away."

Cian (raw line 43): Subcontractors "ask their own project manager to do the contract stuff as a bit of a side hustle to his regular job."

Cian (raw line 191): "PICNIC, Problem In Chair Not In Computer."

Cian: "It is better to submit a bad document on time than wait for a perfect document and submit it late."

Guest Background

Cian Brennan is an Irish expat based in Australia, managing director of Quantum Contract Solutions. The company provides outsourced contract review, negotiation, and post-award administration for construction subcontractors. They've processed 1,000+ disputes/situations. Cian was up early dealing with US clients before this NZ podcast, truly global practice.

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